Before Fahrenheit 9/11
I haven't seen the "documentary" yet, but I plan on seeing it this week sometime hopefully. Possibly as soon as Monday night. So I thought it would be interesting if I wrote some points down about my views about the events surrounding September 11th before seeing the movie. Then I can go back and see if any of my points of view or observations are changed after seeing F9/11.
1) I believe our nations defense is too strong to allow Sept 11th to happen. I think to some level, and to a pretty high level the government knew Al-Quadae was planning an attack on US soil. I think we let it happen. Why we would let it happen, that I don't know. Could it be some secret agenda, sure. People still suspect that we knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked and let it happen so we could enter WWII. Some say it was because war boosts the economy.
2) I don't think another attack like we saw on Sept 11th will happen on US soil. Could US interests in other parts of world (barracks, an embasy, businesses etc) be targets? Absolutely, far more likely. We have interupted several plans to stage attacks on buildings, bridges, public transportation etc since Sept 11th. In order to pull off attacks on a large scale, A LOT has to transpire. There has to be funding, training, planning, and finally execution. In order to coordinate these things, there has to be money transfer, communication (phones, e-mail, chat etc) and probably face to face meetings. For all this to happen, without someone in the FBI, CIA, local law enforcement etc being tipped off, is pretty hard to imagine.
3) There are people in the world who hate the US and would like to bring harm to it's people. I feel that was true, prior to Sept 11, 2001 and I feel it's true even more so today. I don't think other than removing Saddam from power, the war in Iraq has done any good.
4) I think Saddam was producing WOMD, just not to the extent we thought. Saddam isn't dumb. He new UN inspectors were coming, so I think he either destroyed what he had produced, or shipped them off to places like Syria. He had a lot of time to act. The UN kept giving him deadlines for compliance.
5) I think Osama Bin Laden is dead, and has been dead for quite some time.
6) I think President Bush is in over his head. I don't know if there are too many people who could really handle the mess right now. But I do think there are people who could prevent the mess from continuing to grow and spiral out of control.
7) Michael Moore is a fat, disturbing looking man who makes thought provoking movies. His shit stinks like everyone elses.
8) Things aren't as bad as the media leads you to believe. Ironically, part of this is because of something I saw in Bowling for Columbine.
For those of you who have seen the film, or agree or disagree with any of my points, feel free to discuss....
1) I believe our nations defense is too strong to allow Sept 11th to happen. I think to some level, and to a pretty high level the government knew Al-Quadae was planning an attack on US soil. I think we let it happen. Why we would let it happen, that I don't know. Could it be some secret agenda, sure. People still suspect that we knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked and let it happen so we could enter WWII. Some say it was because war boosts the economy.
2) I don't think another attack like we saw on Sept 11th will happen on US soil. Could US interests in other parts of world (barracks, an embasy, businesses etc) be targets? Absolutely, far more likely. We have interupted several plans to stage attacks on buildings, bridges, public transportation etc since Sept 11th. In order to pull off attacks on a large scale, A LOT has to transpire. There has to be funding, training, planning, and finally execution. In order to coordinate these things, there has to be money transfer, communication (phones, e-mail, chat etc) and probably face to face meetings. For all this to happen, without someone in the FBI, CIA, local law enforcement etc being tipped off, is pretty hard to imagine.
3) There are people in the world who hate the US and would like to bring harm to it's people. I feel that was true, prior to Sept 11, 2001 and I feel it's true even more so today. I don't think other than removing Saddam from power, the war in Iraq has done any good.
4) I think Saddam was producing WOMD, just not to the extent we thought. Saddam isn't dumb. He new UN inspectors were coming, so I think he either destroyed what he had produced, or shipped them off to places like Syria. He had a lot of time to act. The UN kept giving him deadlines for compliance.
5) I think Osama Bin Laden is dead, and has been dead for quite some time.
6) I think President Bush is in over his head. I don't know if there are too many people who could really handle the mess right now. But I do think there are people who could prevent the mess from continuing to grow and spiral out of control.
7) Michael Moore is a fat, disturbing looking man who makes thought provoking movies. His shit stinks like everyone elses.
8) Things aren't as bad as the media leads you to believe. Ironically, part of this is because of something I saw in Bowling for Columbine.
For those of you who have seen the film, or agree or disagree with any of my points, feel free to discuss....
6 Comments:
I agree.
The movie will blow your mind like no other movie has. It was very very disturbing.
As to point #8 ... That is so true and he mentions it again in this movie just like in BFC
I'm surprised to read most of this, it seems counter to alot of the sentiment I'd gotten from you over the last few weeks in other posts and responses.
I can't say I agree completely with #2 & #4, though unfortunately the movie doesn't deal in depth with these two scenarios too much.
I really wanted to like the movie, or to agree with it wholeheartedly, but I was pretty disappointed. Without trying to ruin it for you going in, the first half is Bush bashing, which I'm normally all for. But it was too juvenile and shallow, not any more damning than any criticisms I'd had for the president before seeing the movie.
The second half was one of the most powerful things I'd ever seen on film, though really no credit is deserved by Moore for it. There were images of war that needed no cinematic hand to shape. Be prepared if you have a weak stomach.
Niel, yeah I think the media hypes things way too much. Case in point the "Anthrax Scare". Many more people die each year from the flu and from the heat during summer heat waves then were killed by anthrax. But the media had us believing we should wear rubber gloves before opening mail, and we should wear a gas mask when going into the post office.
Phunkie, your observation about the 1st half of the movie is something I have heard now from several people. Including a co-worker who is so far to the left, that he makes you look like a conservative :-). So Im not sure I even want to waste my money on the movie if it's just a cheap shot at the president. The 2nd half has me intrigued, but not sure if its the type of experience I want to share with a theatre full of people. I don't have a weak stomach, but stuff like that hits me hard.
Lastly, I may come off at times as being far to the right, but Im really not. Or atleast I don't try to be. I think anyone who's opinions fall to the far right or the far left is dangerous. So I try to keep my believes somewhere in the middle. So while I am all for equality, which is more of a "Democratic" standpoint, I am also a big fan of corporate America which is what gives "Republicans" a chub in their collective pants. I don't have a problem with trickle down economics. Lets face it, the people with money are the ones who invest it into new companies and new ventures. That creates jobs and new opportunities for middle class workers.
Hey remember us? It wasn't safe to go to the YMCA pool, according to CNN in the summer of 2001.
- UFS
United Federation of Sharks
UFS? Who is this?
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